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		<title>By: Howard Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.kralidis.ca/blog/2008/12/29/shiny-new-mapserver-website/comment-page-1/#comment-48289</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves,

My blog is defunct.  You can find me on twitter, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be blogging anymore.  Everything I write these days is much longer in form, and the blogging format is too stale for me.  I also feel like I don&#039;t have too much interesting to say.

Anyway...

The advantages of Sphinx over Plone (for the MapServer community) are:

- Docs are in svn.  Almost all of our document writing folks have svn access.  They know how to use these tools.  They don&#039;t have to learn anything new to write docs.

- Anyone can build the docs and see them locally.  

- A static website doesn&#039;t need as much administrative tending.

- A static website doesn&#039;t need as much computing horsepower.

- Trac can fill our role for a community website / wiki (we didn&#039;t have this before the Plone site was developed)

- Administration and development of the website no longer has to go through the Plone expert(s).  Some simple templating, some Python code, and &#039;make&#039; are all that are needed to build the new website.


re: 0.6.  We&#039;re running that on http://mapserver.osgeo.org because of a number of PDF/LaTeX fixes.  For HTML generation, there&#039;s no significant difference right now.</description>
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Yves,</p>
<p>My blog is defunct.  You can find me on twitter, but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be blogging anymore.  Everything I write these days is much longer in form, and the blogging format is too stale for me.  I also feel like I don&#8217;t have too much interesting to say.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>The advantages of Sphinx over Plone (for the MapServer community) are:</p>
<p>- Docs are in svn.  Almost all of our document writing folks have svn access.  They know how to use these tools.  They don&#8217;t have to learn anything new to write docs.</p>
<p>- Anyone can build the docs and see them locally.  </p>
<p>- A static website doesn&#8217;t need as much administrative tending.</p>
<p>- A static website doesn&#8217;t need as much computing horsepower.</p>
<p>- Trac can fill our role for a community website / wiki (we didn&#8217;t have this before the Plone site was developed)</p>
<p>- Administration and development of the website no longer has to go through the Plone expert(s).  Some simple templating, some Python code, and &#8216;make&#8217; are all that are needed to build the new website.</p>
<p>re: 0.6.  We&#8217;re running that on <a href="http://mapserver.osgeo.org" rel="nofollow">http://mapserver.osgeo.org</a> because of a number of PDF/LaTeX fixes.  For HTML generation, there&#8217;s no significant difference right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Moisan</title>
		<link>http://www.kralidis.ca/blog/2008/12/29/shiny-new-mapserver-website/comment-page-1/#comment-48288</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Moisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tom,

I just wonder how collaboration to the docs will be handled with a tool that&#039;s designed for documentation as opposed to a mediawiki or a Plone that are designed for collaborative authorship.  In a broader &quot;collaborative platform&quot;, what&#039;s the role of Sphinx ?  

For example, the Grok folks have a Plone site (http://grok.zope.org/) for their home and a Sphinx docs section for the current docs (http://grok.zope.org/doc/current/).  Anyhow, I&#039;m eager to read the rationale behind the move.

Cheers,

Yves</description>
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Hey Tom,</p>
<p>I just wonder how collaboration to the docs will be handled with a tool that&#8217;s designed for documentation as opposed to a mediawiki or a Plone that are designed for collaborative authorship.  In a broader &#8220;collaborative platform&#8221;, what&#8217;s the role of Sphinx ?  </p>
<p>For example, the Grok folks have a Plone site (<a href="http://grok.zope.org/" rel="nofollow">http://grok.zope.org/</a>) for their home and a Sphinx docs section for the current docs (<a href="http://grok.zope.org/doc/current/" rel="nofollow">http://grok.zope.org/doc/current/</a>).  Anyhow, I&#8217;m eager to read the rationale behind the move.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Yves</p>
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		<title>By: tomkralidis</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomkralidis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonjour Yves: c&#039;est vrai, it would be useful to have his insights.  I do know there was alot of scrubbing involved (by him and others), so it was no small task.  0.6?  I can&#039;t find 0.6...http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Sphinx shows 0.5.1, and I&#039;m using 0.5 (via yum on fc10).

Certainly a lightweight and smart approach to managing documentation.  I think when the next documentation / website revamp takes place, it will be much easier given we have stuff in rST pure now.</description>
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Bonjour Yves: c&#8217;est vrai, it would be useful to have his insights.  I do know there was alot of scrubbing involved (by him and others), so it was no small task.  0.6?  I can&#8217;t find 0.6&#8230;<a href="http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Sphinx" rel="nofollow">http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Sphinx</a> shows 0.5.1, and I&#8217;m using 0.5 (via yum on fc10).</p>
<p>Certainly a lightweight and smart approach to managing documentation.  I think when the next documentation / website revamp takes place, it will be much easier given we have stuff in rST pure now.</p>
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		<title>By: Yves Moisan</title>
		<link>http://www.kralidis.ca/blog/2008/12/29/shiny-new-mapserver-website/comment-page-1/#comment-48285</link>
		<dc:creator>Yves Moisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of interest in Sphinx those days with the FeatureServer and TileCache sites recently sphinxified too.  I hope Howard writes a blog entry on the move from Plone to Sphinx &#039;cos I&#039;d like to know the pros and cons.  Also, it seems everyone is reporting using Sphinx 0.6 and one can only easy_install 0.5.1 ??

Cheers,

Yves Moisan</description>
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Lots of interest in Sphinx those days with the FeatureServer and TileCache sites recently sphinxified too.  I hope Howard writes a blog entry on the move from Plone to Sphinx &#8216;cos I&#8217;d like to know the pros and cons.  Also, it seems everyone is reporting using Sphinx 0.6 and one can only easy_install 0.5.1 ??</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Yves Moisan</p>
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		<title>By: tomkralidis</title>
		<link>http://www.kralidis.ca/blog/2008/12/29/shiny-new-mapserver-website/comment-page-1/#comment-48282</link>
		<dc:creator>tomkralidis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  We meant C# :).  I&#039;ve also added &quot;development environments&quot; to the text to encompass more than scripting languages.  This should be updated on the main site soon.  Thanks for the suggestion!</description>
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Good point.  We meant C# <img src='http://www.kralidis.ca/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  I&#8217;ve also added &#8220;development environments&#8221; to the text to encompass more than scripting languages.  This should be updated on the main site soon.  Thanks for the suggestion!</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.kralidis.ca/blog/2008/12/29/shiny-new-mapserver-website/comment-page-1/#comment-48271</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At http://mapserver.osgeo.org/introduction.html#mapserver-overview you probably don&#039;t want to mention Java and C among &quot;popular scripting languages&quot;.

Cheers,
Steko</description>
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At <a href="http://mapserver.osgeo.org/introduction.html#mapserver-overview" rel="nofollow">http://mapserver.osgeo.org/introduction.html#mapserver-overview</a> you probably don&#8217;t want to mention Java and C among &#8220;popular scripting languages&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Steko</p>
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